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INTERVIEW WITH JYMN MAGON – TaleSpin

TaleSpin cast picture

TMB: So the biggest question that seems to be tossed around is: why The Jungle Book characters? Is there a particular reason why you focused on Baloo, Louie, and Shere Khan, as opposed to Kaa or Bagheera?

JM: Originally, we were using Baloo in the “B-Players” series we were pitching.  So when that pitch died, I kept Baloo (cuz I liked his laid-back quality), then I put him in an earlier Duck Tales concept (Launchpad’s courier service).  So Baloo became the cargo pilot.  I also liked the Baloo-Mowgli relationship, but I didn’t want a human, so Kit was invented.  Rebecca, Wildcat, and Karnage came next.  That was the main crew.  When we decided to add a Rick’s Cafe American-style setting for all the pilots to congregate in, Louie became the natural bar owner.  And as the series expanded, we wanted a conglomerate mogul – and who better than Shere Khan, right?  That voice! There was never a thought of “Oh, which Jungle Book characters should I use and not use.”  It just grew as the series grew.  Bagheera’s parental, level-headed character was already taken care of by Becky… so we kept the black panthers as Shere Khan’s pilots, as an homage.  Kaa was never considered… no freakin’ limbs!

TMB: It’s been noted that TaleSpin was loosely based on Tales of the Gold Monkey (which is a pretty fun show even today). Any insight in how the overall decision to base TaleSpin on that show would be appreciated. How’d you go from that show to what you created here?

JM: Yes, TotGM was in inspiration, but simply because I liked the feel of the genre: the adventurous pilot, the tropical setting.  That TV show, in turn, was inspired by black & white movies of the 30’s & 40’s.  Like Sky King and Jungle Jim combined, right?  So I think Tale Spin still would have turned out pretty much the same even if TotGM never existed, cuz the genre already existed… but it was a nifty inspiration.

TMB: On that note, TaleSpin is unique in that the tone of the show seems more, for lack of a better word, “realistic,” as realistic as a show about talking, walking animals can be. Were there any issues from Disney execs in minimizing the wackiness? What was the pitch for this show like?

JM: I never heard any concerns from execs about the tone of the show.  In fact, the pitch probably stressed wackiness more than you would think.  One piece of art showed the Seaduck delivering a whale on its roof.  Another showed Baloo eating a snack while driving with his feet.  And another showed Kit air-foiling behind the Seaduck, holding onto the towrope with his foot while lighting a stick of dynamite with his hands.  To the execs & buyers, it probably felt like an off-shoot of Duck Tales – which was hugely popular.

TMB: Episodes in particular like “Her Chance to Dream,” “The Old Man and the Sea Duck,” and “Paradise Lost” really hit some powerful and dramatic character notes. That kind of adult slant to cartoons seemed rare these days. What made you feel confident to tell those kinds of stories, given the slate of the other Disney Afternoon cartoons?

JM: There was never anything conscious about doing those shows.  They felt right, so we did ’em.  We had 65 episodes to fill, and every so often you wanted a change of pace. I think it was producer Larry Latham who said, “We’re not doing cartoon shows… we’re doing mini-movies.”

TMB: Where and how did you conceive and develop a character like Don Karnage? His combination of viciousness, goofiness, and excellent wordplay. How did you discuss putting that all together?

JM: Great question.  Karnage is a terrific character, and one of Jim Cummings’ faves.  I wanted a band of crazy air pirates (inspired by those nuts in Miyazaki’s Laputa). The notion of a “wolf pack” (like the Nazi submarines) came to mind.  So in the pitch, we had a slew of smelly wolves… and a really mean-looking French poodle.  The poodle disappeared, but the wolves got a leader: The Dread Pirate Anthrax (inspired by The Princess Bride).  But Disney Legal said we couldn’t use Anthrax, cuz it was the name of a heavy metal band.  (I pointed out it was originally the name of sheep disease, but Legal didn’t budge.)  So at the last minute (just before a recording session, no less!), I wrote up a bunch of names.  I knew I wanted “Don” something… like Don Destruction or Don Diego Death.  Carnage seemed right, and of course Karnage would never pronounce the word as “carnage,” he’d say “kar-NODGE”. ///  Backing up slightly, when we were casting for Anthrax, someone suggested Billy Crystal’s imitation of Fernando Lamas on Saturday Night Live.  (“You look Mah-velous.”)  That was funny, so we thought, “Hey, what if Anthrax is just a mangy, common wolf, but he THINKS of himself as royalty?”  So he always speaks like he’s educated and noble, but he completely mangles the language, yes-no?  Jim Cummings nailed it perfectly.

TMB: Likewise with Rebecca Cunningham – a strong single mother with a MBA. I assume she’s built off Sarah Stickney White. What was that process of that growth and change? And how much of a “get” was Sally Struthers as her voice?

JM: Sarah Stickney White is the gal from Gold Monkey, yes?  I had to look that up, cuz I didn’t know who she was.  She was not the inspiration for Rebecca (though there may be similarities.  I don’t remember Sarah’s character.)  Becky was part Rebecca Howe from CHEERS and part of a female MBA in our TV department (named Cunningham).  The perfect foil for Baloo.  He’s street smart, but not educated (kinda like Sam Malone), while she’s educated, but not street smart.  Baloo lost his business (like Sam) to a novice business woman, and he bristles the whole time – trying to earn enough money to buy back his business.  Becky was the 3rd leg of the cast’s emotional stool.  Kit needs a mother and a father.  Baloo needs someone to tell him to “grow up” so he can take care of Kit.  And Becky needs a pilot (and co-pilot) to make her business run.  (Plus, the sexual tension between single mom Becky and footloose adventurer Baloo.) /// As for Sally Struthers, I always had her in mind for the role.  I asked for her, but I didn’t think we’d get her.  She was doing a play somewhere, and her agent mailed her the materials.  She did a voice test on cassette tape and mailed it back.  That’s how it happened.  Later, a Disney exec said his little son didn’t like the voice, and she was almost recast, based on this one child’s opinion, but cooler heads prevailed, and Sally stuck.  (I always had a crush on her from All in the Family anyway.)

TMB: Can you share a few words on the design and layout of Cape Suzette? From the docks and planes to the city landscapes and skyscrapers, the world of Talespin feels so rich and varied. Besides the Art Deco influences, what else did you base the city on?

JM: I knew the basis of our world was tropical.  So Japan, India, southeast Asia was the real world equivalent.  Like a Hong Kong or a Rio de Janeiro.  The time period was the mid-30’s – the time of pulp magazines, adventure serials, art deco, and (duh) Indiana Jones.  When the world was still not fully explored.  The world of National Geographic.  So Cape Suzette grew on the banks of a bay, deep in a tropic continent.  (Naturally, Cape Suzette is just a play on words… it’s not a cape at all, it’s a bay or an inlet.)  Like Hong Kong I wanted skyscrapers as well as slums.  It’s all there. Whatever we needed.

TMB: What’s your favorite episode? What about characters? How about one-off characters? A bunch of friends really like Ace London, but I’m personally a fan of Doug Benson.

JM: Most fans don’t believe this, but I was working so hard to do 65 episodes in a year and a half that it’s all a blur.  To this day I’ve never seen the bulk of the finished episodes.  Naturally, I love “Plunder & Lightning,” because it was written as a movie.  Ace London and Kitten Kaboodle come to mind as characters.  (Don’t remember Doug Benson.)

TMB: Any type of specific authors, comics, or stories that you based some episodes on? I noticed some based on The Rocketeer, The Incredible Shrinking Man, and so on. Any particular favorite writers or authors?

JM: I’m sure you’re right about the influences, but I don’t remember a Rocketeer or a Shrinking Man episode.  We had the Ransom of Red Chief (“Chimp”) and The Defiant Ones (“Stuck On You”).  Sometimes ideas came from real situations, like watching an in-air refueling jet video… that turned into Louie’s floating gas station.   And I think we did a Hope-Crosby Road picture take-off.

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Tumblr Tuesday – 10/22/13

Another Tumblr Tuesday coming your way!

— A political cartoon that nails gender discrepancies in terms of social progression:

http://totalmediabridge.tumblr.com/post/64122924787/thisisrelatable-shithappens-but-lifegoeson

— Christ. Even the way students in classrooms on TV and in films are cliched:

http://totalmediabridge.tumblr.com/post/64300058671/adirred-karkatscarcass-theramblinggirl

— Why dogs are great while being utterly stupid:

http://totalmediabridge.tumblr.com/post/64352619366

— Great poster designs of Darkwing Duck and Scrooge McDuck:

http://totalmediabridge.tumblr.com/post/64600590583/disneyclass-because-you-can-never-have-enough

— And a side-by-side rough/final animation of Darla Dimple from Cats Don’t Dance:

http://totalmediabridge.tumblr.com/post/64600646281/strictlyanimation-lusciousness

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Gargoyles “City of Stone,” parts 1 and 2

Gargoyles "City of Stone"

Dear Koko Animation,

Please decide whether or not Demona has cheekbones. In fact, the answer is no – Demona doesn’t have cheekbones, it makes her seem like she’s (relatively) 90 years-old. What the hell is wrong with you?

Sincerely,

Kevin Johnson

Visual oversight aside, Gargoyles, as implied in the previous review, is truly making some headway in the narrative department. Even though the first two parts of the “City of Stone” saga is heavily dependent on flashbacks, the actual story is moving forward, questions are answers, stakes are raised, and major events begin to occur. We finally get Demona’s take on events during and after the gargoyle massacre in “Awakenings,” and if there was any doubt to Gargoyles’ connection to Shakespearean allegories, well, three creepy sisters would like to tell you otherwise.

The Weird Sisters that pop up in and out of the various events in the first two parts of “City of Stone” are wonderfully creepy, giving an extra surreal sheen to already surreal events. They seem to be helpful to a mystical fault, as they attempt to persuade Demona to team up with Macbeth to defeat the Hunter (in the past), yet give Goliath warnings to be wary of revenge (in the present). They also drool over an upcoming “event” 975 years in the making, and they seem complacent in the machinations of Prince Duncan’s horrific acts back in 1000AD. Maybe they’re just mysteriously opportunistic. I doubt it, though.

“City of Stone” finally destroys the already tenuous alliance between Xanatos and Demona, which was on thin ice back in “Reawakening.” In the first part, Demona promises Xanatos that the spell she has will prolong their lives for centuries. Xanatos allows her to broadcast this spell to the world via Pack Studios video equipment. Xanatos knows something up, and tells Owen to only watch or listen, not both. Owen opts to only listen – but the spell isn’t right. When he goes to fight back, Demona traps him and forces him to watch AND listen to the whole thing.

These events are interspersed with the tragic story surging at the heart of Demona’s life struggle. When Goliath and Hudson headed off to fight the Vikings, Demona argues with her partner/betrayer. He reassures her that the Vikings won’t break the stone gargoyles in the morning, but let’s be real – we’ve all seen No Country for Old Men (alright, alright – The Dark Knight). There are some forces that you just can’t reason with, and Demona’s suspicions trigger her to duck out for the evening, away from the castle. Sure enough, when she gets back, everything is destroyed. She can’t bear to face Goliath upon his return, so she retreats into the night.

Weismen and co. use this opportunity to, for better or for worse, create their own Shakespeare play of sorts, creating a scenario about a soon-to-be-coronated prince named Duncan concerned about the popularity of his cousin, Macbeth, to the point that Duncan goes out of his way to plot his (and Macbeth’s father) death. The story they tell works so, so well, despite that it doesn’t make a lick of sense, since succession is purely about bloodline, not popular vote. Duncan would have been king no matter what, no matter how much more popular Macbeth seems to be (nor does the show display the populace’s reaction to Duncan or Macbeth, so a lot of these opinions are based on heresay).

The basic tale, though, is what’s so intriguing, so full of twists and turns and, yes, contrivances, because as much as we seem loathe to admit it, the best tragedies consists of contrived, convenient events that end in horrific results by people who mean well but tend to be viciously misguided. So the tale begins here, in the first part of “City of Stone,” where we see a young Macbeth fall in love with a girl named Gruoch, but is forced to marry a man named Gillecomgain by the decree of Prince Duncan. The scratches on Gillecomgain’s face are the result of a claw swipe from Demona many moons ago, when she attacked a stable boy while scavenging for food. This scratched boy has grown up to be an masked assassin, sort of, known as The Hunter.

Demona, during this time, has been laying low, gathering expatriot gargoyles and striking at the humans in quick, hit-and-run skirmishes. She relishes the chance to finish off this Hunter, who was sent after her as well, so by narrative decree, she gets indirectly roped into this story as well. The whole thing is big, grand, and dramatic, with boastful words to no one but the audience, grand gestures that add weight instead of melodrama to the preceding. The final conflict between the Hunter, Macbeth, Macbeth’s father, Gruoch, and Demona is, as mentioned, contrived as hell, but works, because it’s a tense, thrilling scene. especially since we know Gargoyles isn’t afraid to kill off a few of its characters. The Hunter kills Macbeth’s father, but escapes when Demona, with a surprising amount of heart, saves Macbeth and Gruoch from their deaths as well.

In the present, Owen calls Xanatos to warn him about Demona’s incorrect spell, but the sun goes down. As the gargoyles emerge from their stone slumber, the entire city of New York who watched (and listened) to Demona’s broadcast entered their own stone slumber. Fox was a victim of the broadcast, and the first part ends with a stone cold Fox (literally!) at the controls of Xanatos’ helicopter, her and Xanatos falling to their deaths. And the worst is yet to come.

The second part of “City of Stone” is vicious. Demona gleefully smashes a number of stone humans, and frankly I’m stunned that Disney let this happen. When the gargoyles were destroyed in “Awakening,” that at least happened off-screen. Demona’s rampage is up front and center, and it literally sent chills down my spine. The gargoyles follow her trail of destruction and death, and they have another bizarre conversation with the Weird Sisters, warning Goliath of the dangers of revenge. These three continue to be wonderfully mysterious, and I’m not sure if their end game will be revealed in the next two parts, or later in the second season.

We get more information about the past and Demona’s backstory, her continuing fight with the Hunter, and more intrigue involved with Prince Duncan. I have to admit that I’m somewhat confused. Gillecomgain here says that Macbeth is heir to the throne. So Prince Duncan isn’t? I’m not sure if Duncan wants to take out Macbeth because he’s afraid that his popularity would garner supporters for him to be a potential king, or if Macbeth is heir to a different castle and Duncan simply is resorting to literal backstabbing to snag more power. Why Duncan feels Macbeth is a threat is unclear. Maybe he just wants to murder some guys. Maybe he just likes to fuck with people.

That might be the case, actually. Duncan orders Gruoch to marry Gillecomgain and then pushes for Gillecomgain to finish off Macbeth. The Hunter refuses, and Duncan, who clearly doesn’t like to be refused, “reveals” to Macbeth that Gillecomgain was the one who killed his father.  More swooping plot developments and grand events and elaborate betrayals give “City of Stone” an exciting foundation that even the best Gargoyles episodes so far seemed to lack. And these events are given an extra element, when the Weird Sisters convinces Demona to strike the Hunter, with the help of Macbeth. She’s reluctant, but concedes.

We get a great final sequence, with Macbeth, The Hunter, and Demona once again going at each other with Gruoch in the midst. It’s all swords, maces, and good ol’ fashioned fisticuffs, with a bit of thematic parallelism when Macbeth saves Demona life as the Hunter falls to his death. Macbeth and Demona seem linked somehow, and I wonder if the Weird Sisters are involved, since they want Demona and Macbeth to work together so much. In the end, Macbeth marries Gruoch, and Prince Duncan seethes while he watches from afar. While it’s still confusing as to why exactly Duncan hates Macbeth so much, there’s something stirring as he grasps the Hunter’s mask in his hand. He then hands over his son to three familiar, creepy female caretakers.

Back in the present, the gargoyles track Demona to Pack Studios, where Xanatos, who managed to land the helicopter safely, destroys the broadcast of Demona’s spell. And suddenly, a modern day Hunter appears! He and Demona go at it, and Koko’s fight scenes continue to be effective even though their character model designs fluctuates way too much. “City of Stone,” with its epic tone and larger stakes, should have been animated by Disney’s signature animation studios. Still, there are so many interesting things in the air now, especially now with this Hunter around and Demona on the prowl – not to mention the city still in the midst of a rocky situation. To that end, Goliath has no choice but to team up with Xanatos, which is never a good sign.

Next week looks to be very interesting.

[I decided to grade “City of Stone” like I graded “Awakening” – as a whole. So the grade will come next week!]

 

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